No Trinity? Methinks thou dost protest too much..
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given to Me in Heaven and in earth. 19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you.
Well, in this verse sounds like we either got 3 Gods or one triune God. The three mentioned here sound kind of equal. I vote for the Triune God theory!
For those of you teens battling with the trinity doctrine, See page 288-289 of the book "The kingdom of the cults" by Walter Martin. People have been trying to diss the Trinity since Martin Cellarium in 1545 and probably before that too. They forget that Christianity is understood with the heart, not with the brain. It is a spiritual relationship with our God, and we have to be like little children if we want to enter the Kingdom of God, and no amount of brains is going to get us in.
God bless ya guys!
Monday, March 15, 2010
Some people say that Jesus is not God.
If Jesus is not God, then who is he? If he's just a very pure, sinless prophet, then you can be a muslim with that kind of Jesus. You can fit in perfectly with the Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, suddenly, you are buddies with everyone, and religion doesn't actually matter.
Do I detect the trademark of satan here? With this mindset, a one world religion is possible. A new world order could be established. A one world currency. And everyone microchipped and traceable. A world ripe for the scenario as laid out in Revelation - the reign of the beast.
Why have an ice cold Coke and then say that the Coke liquid is not necessary? All you've got is a glass bottle that you can hit yourself on the head with. If Jesus is not God, then our faith is a delusion, and we are more to be pitied that the most lost soul.
Jesus is the lynchpin of everything. Everything. He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega.
He is my God. There is no other.
If Jesus is not God, then who is he? If he's just a very pure, sinless prophet, then you can be a muslim with that kind of Jesus. You can fit in perfectly with the Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, suddenly, you are buddies with everyone, and religion doesn't actually matter.
Do I detect the trademark of satan here? With this mindset, a one world religion is possible. A new world order could be established. A one world currency. And everyone microchipped and traceable. A world ripe for the scenario as laid out in Revelation - the reign of the beast.
Why have an ice cold Coke and then say that the Coke liquid is not necessary? All you've got is a glass bottle that you can hit yourself on the head with. If Jesus is not God, then our faith is a delusion, and we are more to be pitied that the most lost soul.
Jesus is the lynchpin of everything. Everything. He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega.
He is my God. There is no other.
Was Jesus God? Of course He was!
The Bible says so, clearly. It’s so clear, even I can understand it!!
Notice how God says “Us” in the following passages:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.
Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil.
Gen 11:7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they cannot understand one another's speech.
Here is where God tells Moses His name:
Exo 3:13 And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the sons of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they shall say to me, What is His name? What shall I say to them? 14 God said, "I am who I am. You must tell them: 'The one who is called I AM has sent me to you.'
In the following passages, Jesus gives Himself the same name:
Joh 8:24 That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. And you will die in your sins if you do not believe that 'I Am Who I Am'."
Joh 8:28 So he said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, you will know that 'I Am Who I Am'; then you will know that I do nothing on my own authority, but I say only what the Father has instructed me to say.
Joh 13:19 I tell you this now before it happens, so that when it does happen, you will believe that 'I Am Who I Am.'
Consider this passage:
Joh 8:57 They said to him, "You are not even fifty years old---and you have seen Abraham?" 58 "I am telling you the truth," Jesus replied. "Before Abraham was born, 'I Am'." 59 Then they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and left the Temple.
Now I ask: If Jesus was just saying He’s human, why would the people want to stone Him for that? They wanted to stone Him because He was saying He was God. Which, of course, He was.
Here’s another:
Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one." 31 Then the people again picked up stones to throw at him. 32 Jesus said to them, "I have done many good deeds in your presence which the Father gave me to do; for which one of these do you want to stone me?" 33 They answered, "We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!"
So the Jews of 2000 years ago seemed to understand Jesus just fine!
Now I know that I am not the cleverest guy in town, but if you are convinced that you are smarter than I am, ponder this:
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus said, "Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned.
Luk 10:21 At that time Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit and said, "Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen.
So God wants us dumb guys to understand His truths.
Sure it’s simple, but this is the worlds problem:
Joh 3:19 This is how the judgment works: the light has come into the world, but people love the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds are evil. 20 Those who do evil things hate the light and will not come to the light, because they do not want their evil deeds to be shown up. 21 But those who do what is true come to the light in order that the light may show that what they did was in obedience to God.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming, 9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, 12 so that all those who do not believe the truth, but delight in unrighteousness, might be condemned.
So let the Bible be your guide. Read any version, but have a King James version to double check any grey areas. Don’t change the Bible. Don’t chuck out the parts you don’t like. Read the whole thing. And reread it, and then the light will shine into your heart and the Holy Spirit will open your understanding. Remember, without the Holy Spirit to enlighten your mind, God's word the Bible will be nonsense to you. Pray for understanding as you read.
May God bless you with joy and hope, the hope that Jesus gives us of eternity in Heaven.
The Bible says so, clearly. It’s so clear, even I can understand it!!
Notice how God says “Us” in the following passages:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.
Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil.
Gen 11:7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they cannot understand one another's speech.
Here is where God tells Moses His name:
Exo 3:13 And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the sons of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they shall say to me, What is His name? What shall I say to them? 14 God said, "I am who I am. You must tell them: 'The one who is called I AM has sent me to you.'
In the following passages, Jesus gives Himself the same name:
Joh 8:24 That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. And you will die in your sins if you do not believe that 'I Am Who I Am'."
Joh 8:28 So he said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, you will know that 'I Am Who I Am'; then you will know that I do nothing on my own authority, but I say only what the Father has instructed me to say.
Joh 13:19 I tell you this now before it happens, so that when it does happen, you will believe that 'I Am Who I Am.'
Consider this passage:
Joh 8:57 They said to him, "You are not even fifty years old---and you have seen Abraham?" 58 "I am telling you the truth," Jesus replied. "Before Abraham was born, 'I Am'." 59 Then they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and left the Temple.
Now I ask: If Jesus was just saying He’s human, why would the people want to stone Him for that? They wanted to stone Him because He was saying He was God. Which, of course, He was.
Here’s another:
Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one." 31 Then the people again picked up stones to throw at him. 32 Jesus said to them, "I have done many good deeds in your presence which the Father gave me to do; for which one of these do you want to stone me?" 33 They answered, "We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!"
So the Jews of 2000 years ago seemed to understand Jesus just fine!
Now I know that I am not the cleverest guy in town, but if you are convinced that you are smarter than I am, ponder this:
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus said, "Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned.
Luk 10:21 At that time Jesus was filled with joy by the Holy Spirit and said, "Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen.
So God wants us dumb guys to understand His truths.
Sure it’s simple, but this is the worlds problem:
Joh 3:19 This is how the judgment works: the light has come into the world, but people love the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds are evil. 20 Those who do evil things hate the light and will not come to the light, because they do not want their evil deeds to be shown up. 21 But those who do what is true come to the light in order that the light may show that what they did was in obedience to God.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming, 9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, 12 so that all those who do not believe the truth, but delight in unrighteousness, might be condemned.
So let the Bible be your guide. Read any version, but have a King James version to double check any grey areas. Don’t change the Bible. Don’t chuck out the parts you don’t like. Read the whole thing. And reread it, and then the light will shine into your heart and the Holy Spirit will open your understanding. Remember, without the Holy Spirit to enlighten your mind, God's word the Bible will be nonsense to you. Pray for understanding as you read.
May God bless you with joy and hope, the hope that Jesus gives us of eternity in Heaven.
Thursday, March 11, 2010
Jesus is God.
You may ask, how can Jesus be God and still pray to His Father in Heaven? This is a valid question.
Consider this:- a river rises in the mountains and flows towards the sea; lets call the river the Tugela. After a distance the Klip river flows into it, and a little further on the Buffalo river flows into it. Eventually the Tugela flows into the sea. But where are the Klip and the Buffalo rivers? They are in the Tugela.
But we don't say three rivers flow into the sea, we talk of ONE river.
In the same way God is ONE God, but He comprises of more than one part. Jesus is God, like the Buffalo river is the Tugela where it goes into the sea.
If you take a bucket of water out of the Tugela, you are going to say "This is Tugela water." Jesus was taken out of God the Father for awhile, but He was fully God, and is fully God now.
The Trinity, as God is referred to, is often spoken of as 3 persons, but in my opinion He is One God, with 3 facets or dimensions, each with His own personality. We humans were created in the likeness of God, but it is in a much simpler form than that of God.
Explaining this is like trying to explain to a deep sea fish what riding a bicycle is like: it doesn't know what a bicycle is, it doesn't know what legs are, or air, or a road. It is a dimension that it cannot even imagine.
And it is like that with our perception of God. We try to squash Him into a box like He's some sort of supernatural human, when in fact He is unimaginally superior to our intellects and imagination.
And yet He loves us, and was willing to die, Himself, for our sins, so that we could be declared not guilty, and become His friends. Amazing love!
You may ask, how can Jesus be God and still pray to His Father in Heaven? This is a valid question.
Consider this:- a river rises in the mountains and flows towards the sea; lets call the river the Tugela. After a distance the Klip river flows into it, and a little further on the Buffalo river flows into it. Eventually the Tugela flows into the sea. But where are the Klip and the Buffalo rivers? They are in the Tugela.
But we don't say three rivers flow into the sea, we talk of ONE river.
In the same way God is ONE God, but He comprises of more than one part. Jesus is God, like the Buffalo river is the Tugela where it goes into the sea.
If you take a bucket of water out of the Tugela, you are going to say "This is Tugela water." Jesus was taken out of God the Father for awhile, but He was fully God, and is fully God now.
The Trinity, as God is referred to, is often spoken of as 3 persons, but in my opinion He is One God, with 3 facets or dimensions, each with His own personality. We humans were created in the likeness of God, but it is in a much simpler form than that of God.
Explaining this is like trying to explain to a deep sea fish what riding a bicycle is like: it doesn't know what a bicycle is, it doesn't know what legs are, or air, or a road. It is a dimension that it cannot even imagine.
And it is like that with our perception of God. We try to squash Him into a box like He's some sort of supernatural human, when in fact He is unimaginally superior to our intellects and imagination.
And yet He loves us, and was willing to die, Himself, for our sins, so that we could be declared not guilty, and become His friends. Amazing love!
IF THE BIBLE IS TRUE (Which it is)
Then:
Jesus died for our sins, and then rose again from the dead. He appeared to over 500 different people over a time period of about 40 days after His death and resurrection.
God loves you regardless of what you have done, who you are and what race you are. His love is always available to you. All we have to do is believe in Him and that Jesus is the One who saves us from our sins.
God gave us a free will with which we can choose to accept Him and His love or reject Him. God gave us a free will because He wants us to love Him freely and because we want to, not like a robot.
If we reject Jesus and God, we will go to hell when we die. Hell is a real place, where our bed is maggots and our blanket is worms, where there is thick darkness and where we burn and are in agony forever.
God does not want us to go there, which is why He died for us to make a way of escape for us. So if we go to hell it is because we chose to go there by rejecting Jesus.
Choose to accept Jesus. It's an abundant, happy and full life. Like life, it has it's ups and downs, but there's always the arms of God beneath you.
Then:
Jesus died for our sins, and then rose again from the dead. He appeared to over 500 different people over a time period of about 40 days after His death and resurrection.
God loves you regardless of what you have done, who you are and what race you are. His love is always available to you. All we have to do is believe in Him and that Jesus is the One who saves us from our sins.
God gave us a free will with which we can choose to accept Him and His love or reject Him. God gave us a free will because He wants us to love Him freely and because we want to, not like a robot.
If we reject Jesus and God, we will go to hell when we die. Hell is a real place, where our bed is maggots and our blanket is worms, where there is thick darkness and where we burn and are in agony forever.
God does not want us to go there, which is why He died for us to make a way of escape for us. So if we go to hell it is because we chose to go there by rejecting Jesus.
Choose to accept Jesus. It's an abundant, happy and full life. Like life, it has it's ups and downs, but there's always the arms of God beneath you.
HOW CAN I BE SAVED?
God wants to rescue you from Hell and from your sinful life. To accept His gift of eternal life, which is a free gift, and cannot be "earned" do the following:
Admit that you have done wrong things (sins) and make a decision to do what is right. (This is called "repentance")
Believe in Jesus and ask Him to come into your life and make you spiritually Born Again.
Thank Him for doing this. This is an act of faith, where you are believing what God has promised to do.
Start reading the Bible. Start in the New Testament, at Mark or John.
Pray to God every day.
And that's about it - you are now a born again Christian!!
It's so easy! God made it like that on purpose. He loves you very, very much.
God wants to rescue you from Hell and from your sinful life. To accept His gift of eternal life, which is a free gift, and cannot be "earned" do the following:
Admit that you have done wrong things (sins) and make a decision to do what is right. (This is called "repentance")
Believe in Jesus and ask Him to come into your life and make you spiritually Born Again.
Thank Him for doing this. This is an act of faith, where you are believing what God has promised to do.
Start reading the Bible. Start in the New Testament, at Mark or John.
Pray to God every day.
And that's about it - you are now a born again Christian!!
It's so easy! God made it like that on purpose. He loves you very, very much.
Saturday, May 10, 2008
Discussion of 11th May 2008
Hi Guys, Here's tommorrows discussion today. Early huh!!
The Basic Life of the Christian
Ephesians 3v20-21 4v1-3 4v23-32 5v1-6,15-17
Eph 3:20 To him who by means of his power working in us is able to do so much more than we can ever ask for, or even think of: 21 to God be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus for all time, forever and ever! Amen.
Eph 4:1 I urge you, then---I who am a prisoner because I serve the Lord: live a life that measures up to the standard God set when he called you. 2 Be always humble, gentle, and patient. Show your love by being tolerant with one another. 3 Do your best to preserve the unity which the Spirit gives by means of the peace that binds you together.
Read Eph 4 v 23 – 32 and 5v1-6, 15-17
The Advantages of being a Christian
Underlying subconscious Happiness.
A big loving Christian family.
A purpose in life.
A peaceful feeling
A relaxed heart
Real friends
Decent marriages
Don’t have to worry
Access to the power of God.
Sanity = closeness to God. 1 Tim 1v7
Hope of going to Heaven
Your good friend is the Creator of the Universe – and He loves you
Doing Gods will produces JOY
You will live a fulfilled satisfied life
If you go all out for God, it will be an exciting life.
People that matter will respect you.
Your life will get brighter as you obey Jesus more and more
Jesus will teach you slowly and gently.
God really wants you in Heaven so He can give you all His love and a paradise to live in.
You can do all the fun things of life (bungee,skateboarding, boogie, biking, parties,etc) without ever feeling bad or guilty about what you do. God is an excellent surfer.
The Disadvantages of being a pagan
Insecurity – treading water in a sea of mud
Eventual lonliness
Guilt
Stupid friends = backstabbers,idiots & scums
Tense subconsciously
No Heavenly backup
Self inflicted illnesses, stress.
Madness is proportional to distance from God
Eternal Hell after death
Unfaithful (marriage) partner
You will contribute to society’s collapse
You have to worry
You will become bitter and twisted in the end
Your fears will control you.
You will become steadily stupider, until you are a total moron
You will never be satisfied, because only God can satisfy the being that He made.
You have nothing to hope for that lasts
You will have to do what the devil wants, which is meant to kill you. The devil wants you dead and in hell.
You look in the mirror in the morning and think “What the hell am I living for?”
You will feel absolute terror when you are dying, when the demons collect you.
The Disadvantages of being a Christian
You will lose most of your skommie friends
You may lose the respect of scumbags, slimebuckets and fools.
You will have to fight temptation for the rest of your life, and you will loose the fight sometimes, but not always.
You will have to go against the crowd.
You will have to do what God wants and not what you want, but it will be for your own good anyway.
Sometimes you will have to suffer, but Jesus will always be with you in it.
You will need to be brave at times – this means that you will have to do some things that you are really afraid of doing.
You have to tell the truth.
You have to love with agapē love.
You will have to think of others before yourself.
The advantages of being a Non Christian
You can do anything you want until you are jailed or get a disease or die young
You can sin now and pay later, but you pay forever.
The devil says you can be your own boss, but he lies. He will be your boss, and he'll grind you.
The devil says it will be fun, but he doesn’t tell you that it gets less fun the more you do it. And it ends in death – physical & spiritual.
The devil says it will satisfy you, but this is an outright lie – you will never stay satisfied.
You can be lazy.
You can be a jerk.
You can be nasty – but everyone will hate you and despise you.
You are free to destroy yourself slowly. You can lie, cheat, smoke, drink, do drugs and sex - and it won't be free for long.
The BOTTOM LINE
God's way of doing things WORKS
OBEY Him.
He reckons You're Worth It !
The Basic Life of the Christian
Ephesians 3v20-21 4v1-3 4v23-32 5v1-6,15-17
Eph 3:20 To him who by means of his power working in us is able to do so much more than we can ever ask for, or even think of: 21 to God be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus for all time, forever and ever! Amen.
Eph 4:1 I urge you, then---I who am a prisoner because I serve the Lord: live a life that measures up to the standard God set when he called you. 2 Be always humble, gentle, and patient. Show your love by being tolerant with one another. 3 Do your best to preserve the unity which the Spirit gives by means of the peace that binds you together.
Read Eph 4 v 23 – 32 and 5v1-6, 15-17
The Advantages of being a Christian
Underlying subconscious Happiness.
A big loving Christian family.
A purpose in life.
A peaceful feeling
A relaxed heart
Real friends
Decent marriages
Don’t have to worry
Access to the power of God.
Sanity = closeness to God. 1 Tim 1v7
Hope of going to Heaven
Your good friend is the Creator of the Universe – and He loves you
Doing Gods will produces JOY
You will live a fulfilled satisfied life
If you go all out for God, it will be an exciting life.
People that matter will respect you.
Your life will get brighter as you obey Jesus more and more
Jesus will teach you slowly and gently.
God really wants you in Heaven so He can give you all His love and a paradise to live in.
You can do all the fun things of life (bungee,skateboarding, boogie, biking, parties,etc) without ever feeling bad or guilty about what you do. God is an excellent surfer.
The Disadvantages of being a pagan
Insecurity – treading water in a sea of mud
Eventual lonliness
Guilt
Stupid friends = backstabbers,idiots & scums
Tense subconsciously
No Heavenly backup
Self inflicted illnesses, stress.
Madness is proportional to distance from God
Eternal Hell after death
Unfaithful (marriage) partner
You will contribute to society’s collapse
You have to worry
You will become bitter and twisted in the end
Your fears will control you.
You will become steadily stupider, until you are a total moron
You will never be satisfied, because only God can satisfy the being that He made.
You have nothing to hope for that lasts
You will have to do what the devil wants, which is meant to kill you. The devil wants you dead and in hell.
You look in the mirror in the morning and think “What the hell am I living for?”
You will feel absolute terror when you are dying, when the demons collect you.
The Disadvantages of being a Christian
You will lose most of your skommie friends
You may lose the respect of scumbags, slimebuckets and fools.
You will have to fight temptation for the rest of your life, and you will loose the fight sometimes, but not always.
You will have to go against the crowd.
You will have to do what God wants and not what you want, but it will be for your own good anyway.
Sometimes you will have to suffer, but Jesus will always be with you in it.
You will need to be brave at times – this means that you will have to do some things that you are really afraid of doing.
You have to tell the truth.
You have to love with agapē love.
You will have to think of others before yourself.
The advantages of being a Non Christian
You can do anything you want until you are jailed or get a disease or die young
You can sin now and pay later, but you pay forever.
The devil says you can be your own boss, but he lies. He will be your boss, and he'll grind you.
The devil says it will be fun, but he doesn’t tell you that it gets less fun the more you do it. And it ends in death – physical & spiritual.
The devil says it will satisfy you, but this is an outright lie – you will never stay satisfied.
You can be lazy.
You can be a jerk.
You can be nasty – but everyone will hate you and despise you.
You are free to destroy yourself slowly. You can lie, cheat, smoke, drink, do drugs and sex - and it won't be free for long.
The BOTTOM LINE
God's way of doing things WORKS
OBEY Him.
He reckons You're Worth It !
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